[Biopython] How many of you are on Slack?

[Peter Cock]

Self-hosted is a big turn off here (although it is great that they
offer that), but their free hosting level might work:

https://zulip.com/for/open-source/

(A paid service is not out of the question, but the pricing has to
make sense for OBF usage - so a per user model is probably out for us)

I've found the slack threading disappointing, only bare bones functionality.

A big plus is that they say the whole stack is open source. If we
didn't already have a fair number of people using the OBF BOSC slack,
that would be very tempting.

In the meantime, this URL will expire in less than 30 days but will
allow people to join the OBF slack which now has a biopython channel:

https://join.slack.com/t/open-bio/shared_invite/zt-sa9qfdgz-7GFt_QvlSMjTQgYnT42abQ

Peter

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 12:02 PM Alister Burt <alisterburt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I don’t contribute to Biopython but I work on another open source project which makes heavy use of a solution called Zulip. https://zulip.com/
>
> There is some overhead, it’s self hosted, but we really love the combination of instantaneous chat with the email threading model that it provides.
>
> Best,
>
> Alister
>
> On 30 Jun 2021, at 23:16, Martin Mokrejs <mmokrejs at fold.natur.cuni.cz> wrote:
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> Dear all,
>  me too, although I have to use Slack for a project I don't like it. And am on second slack channel to which which don't even login using a different email address. I don't have time to follow all the notices, sorry. If you wan to convert biopython-dev to Slack just do it, it affects few people. It is at least clearer than IRC. While shutting down the email list you will probably loose some readers. Myself I am not going to re-register. I guess others who won't speak will also just disregard if they stop receiving emails from the list.
>
>  I am loosing track of biopython development as I did not migrate apps to python3, did not switch away from matplotlib, well, do as you wish. I am not actively contributing so my participation is not really relevant. If it is time burden to maintain the virtuals running mailman etc., well, ...
>
> Best,
> Martin
>
>
> On 30/06/2021 23:38, Stéphane Téletchéa wrote:
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> Dear all,
>
> I understand the arguments of all others,
>
> Le 28/06/2021 à 17:00, João Rodrigues a écrit :
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> An email is "passive": you subscribe and that's it, gets delivered to your inbox. It's also the lowest common denominator in terms of tech in the sense that everyone has/uses email.
>
>
> But yes, I'm probably more traditional, email is asynchronous and I like that.
>
> Personally I really HATE slack, too disperse for my brain, I've worked with it for one year and this was awful and very time consuming,
> I'm also using regularly Mattermost and I also dislike it a lot. Students say it is wonderful, but this was really because we were confined
> that I had accepted to work like this (taking too much time to be productive).
>
> Considering google groups, I also HATE it as google mail etc. I'm also concerned about the
> "we cut without delay this service as we don't want to run it anymore" policy of Google that happened already on many of their past services.
>
> This is probably only me but I have a very well organised mail box with many synchronised mails (sometimes on one computer, sometimes on another one),
> and that fits my needs.
>
> If you close the mailing list, then I'd follow, but the existing situation is ok to me.
>
> Considering the overhead of running different systems, I completely understand the need to leverage it,
> but I'm not sure there are reliable long-term solutions really available.
>
> My 0.02 cents/pennies.
>
> Best,
>
> Stéphane
>
>
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