[BioSQL-l] synonyms for ontology terms

[Aaron J Mackey]

I think the fact that synonyms don't have their own unique accession is
the no-brainer answer to the question: they cannot be "first-class" terms
in their own right, and we have to go with a surrogate synonym table.

-Aaron

On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Hilmar Lapp wrote:

> I always thought this should be solvable by treating synonyms as
> first-class terms connected by another relationship type.
>
> However, note first that we'd be the first doing it that way. The
> ontology natives don't treat synonyms as first-class terms (see the
> geneontology schema, the chado schema, or the DAG flat file format for
> that matter), and maybe there are reasons for this. ChrisM, if you get
> a chance, can you comment here?
>
> So, in practice, probably as a consequence of no-one else doing it this
> way, synonyms do not have their own identifiers. Since for public
> ontologies you cannot simply make up identifiers, you inevitably end up
> with second-class citizens among the terms of an ontology, namely those
> you cannot identify.
>
> Another problem that springs to mind is that since a synonym actually
> does not represent a related but the identical concept, every node that
> is rooted at the term also needs to be fathered by the term's
> synonym(s). This is doable, but creates the necessity for special case
> code when reading in ontologies (because those won't have the synonym
> to children relationships).
>
> I guess the point about synonyms is that they being synonyms is a fact,
> not a relationship you may or may not believe in.
> 'five_prime_untranslated_region' (SO:0000204) is not related to, but
> the very same thing as '5\'-UTR', and I guess if '5\'-UTR' is allowed
> to be a first-class citizen, you may root concepts off of it that you
> don't connect to 'five_prime_untranslated_region', which can't be right
> by definition.
>
> So, my vote is for a synonym table unless
>
> 	- the public ontologies not having done this is due to oversight or
> laziness, and
> 	- there is a roadmap for how to resolve the second-class citizen issue
> and those issues that it gives rise to.
>
> -hilmar
>
> On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 04:41  AM, Aaron J Mackey wrote:
>
> >
> > I did suggest this after initially agreeing with Hilmar's proposal.
> >
> > The one problem I can see is that this "well-known" predicate needs to
> > live in what we've been throwing around as the "CORE" ontology ... is
> > there really such a beast?  Can we suck it up from somewhere and
> > declare
> > that when we suck up other ontologies that any synonymous relationships
> > use the CORE::synonymous predicate?  Perhaps instead there should be a
> > "biosql" namespace ontology to define some of these things (as I think
> > we're already defining a handful of fuzzy location terms ... ?)
> >
> > -Aaron
> >
> > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Matthew Pocock wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Hilmar,
> >>
> >> Would it not be better to represent this inside the ontology itself?
> >> If
> >> we had a well-known predicate 'synonym' then we can use the tripples
> >> table to associate a concept with its synonyms. This will be come just
> >> as efficient as a term_synonym table once the transient closures table
> >> is populated. It also removes one more block of special case code - we
> >> can look up synonyms and antonyms and identities and isas and hasas
> >> with
> >> the same code without extra tables. My rule of thumb is that any info
> >> that relates terms to one another should be in the ontology itself,
> >> and
> >> never in an extra table.
> >>
> >> Matthew
> >>
> >> Hilmar Lapp wrote:
> >>> We need one more table for a full representation of ontology terms to
> >>> record their synonyms. The table can be quite minimalist:
> >>>
> >>>     CREATE TABLE term_synonym (
> >>>         synonym       VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
> >>>         term_id          INT(10) UNSIGNED NOT NULL,
> >>>         --
> >>>         FOREIGN KEY (term_id) REFERENCES term (term_id),
> >>>         UNIQUE (term_id,synonym);
> >>>     );
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone any objections to this or better ideas how to capture
> >>> synonyms of terms?
> >>>
> >>>     -hilmar
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >  Aaron J Mackey
> >  Pearson Laboratory
> >  University of Virginia
> >  (434) 924-2821
> >  amackey at virginia.edu
> >
> >
> >
>

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 Aaron J Mackey
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 University of Virginia
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 amackey at virginia.edu