[BioPython] New logo try-out

[Ravinder Singh]

Between two cents and two pence, my input will definitely be mucccccch 
cheaper - only 2 paise (i'm from india. [1 cent == 50 paise] If my 
fellow from UK can use lowercase 'i' for i'm, I'M TEMPTED TOO

for items in list [I'm, India] # they python way

Second, if simplcity is the reason and I'm all for it (as a teacher for 
undergraduates, I leave no stones unturned (and I've no choice but) to 
make my slides as simple as possible). My humble opinion is that gyro 
funch's is the simplest logo that captures everything, WITHOUT making it 
complicated. For example,

(1) if one python can do, why use two (remember, while we are at 
simplicity, we don't need absolutely a helix - just like the car ad does 
not tell how ABS works);

(2) if one head can do, why also include two heads and two tails, or 
even any tail (cars or better SUVs have hookups for trailers but a 
trailer is never shown in a car ad;

(3) my friends from the advertising industry tell that a picture is 
worth at least a thousand words - so, if we can live without the word 
"BIOPYTHON," why include it. Let the picture of python itself tell that 
I'M PYTHON. As car ads on billboards try not using using words (the tiny 
logo for Toyota, not the word is more powerful because people @70 mph 
can get it without reading it or getting distracted from needing to make 
words from letters, and I think speed (of people cruising though 
websites) on the information->super->high->way is much faster than 70 
mph (even for Al Gore), because there are no speeding tickets.

(4) ATGC and 01 (in the gyro funch's logo) in that grey out-of-focus 
background don't contribute much complexity to the logo. If necessary, 
they can be rendered even more blurred as my friends from the ad 
industry tell that they (blurred/out of focus) letters won't add much 
information content to the logo.

(5) In fact, the entire universe does not speak English, but a picture 
of ominous and powerful PYTHON sends the same venomous message in the 
remote corner of anywhere in the world (Picture tells it all) to an 
illiterate, a child, or an educated non-English (there are some); in the 
spirit of open source, let's be inclusive and accessible to as many as 
possible..

First. In this 'us who use computers wanting things to be complete, 
precise, accurate etc.' please don't include me -I'm a biologist (the 
honor 'us' here is reserved for my friends from only 'the 01 world,' I 
belong to 'the more primitive ATGC world.')

Friend, I'm not trying to criticize anything, so it not necessary to 
ping-pong with these comments. I've said earlier, the logos submitted 
are wonderful, and all who have contribtued are to be congratulated.

Sincerely,

Worth only 2 paise
(Ravinder)

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Aidan Budd wrote:

>my humble opinion is shared by pan, here...
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>>IMHO, a logo doesn't have to contain ALL the elements that it
>>represents, otherwise the logo might become too complicated and
>>the image will be less powerful and less impressive. It's just
>>like to highlight something you feel important --- if you
>>highlight ALL elements, then the 'highlight' loses it's meaning.
>>
>>The logo Thomas submitted is already complicated enough. IMHO,
>>any effort to make it even more complicated might lose the
>>impact the image provides.
>>
>>Well, just my two cents.
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>seems to me a classic case of the tension between
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>1. us who use computers wanting things to be complete, precise, accurate
>etc. (i.e. the desire for a logo to contain all essential elements that
>define/specify the entity being 'logoised')
>
>2. the fact that advertising (which, lets face it, a logo is in many ways
>about) works best when only a few aspects of a product (argh... is
>biopython a 'product'???) are highlighted, and thus the message about at
>least these few aspects is more effectively communicated, and hopefully
>therefore more remembered by those who see it...
>
>a car ad doesn't tell you alllllll the wonderful reasons why that
>particular car is so unbelievable right for YOU...   :)
>
>my two pence (i'm from uk...)
>
>aidan
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>>??? Thomas Hamelryck <thamelry at vub.ac.be>:
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>>>Hi Ravinder,
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>>>>I continue to be obsessed with the 3 spirits - python, molecular
>>>>biology, and computation. A logo that does not captures them all should
>>>>not be the end point. Even after fixing the handedness of the helix by
>>>>two pythons, the logo could as well be for something that deals with
>>>>reptiles in Amazon or some other tropical forest, or a biodiversity
>>>>project etc. ( I'm using my word very cautiously here and I applaud the
>>>>efforts and the aesthetics of this logo). However, neither molecular
>>>>biology nor the computation part comes out, which are A[TU]GC and 0101.
>>>>How about building 'BIOPYTHON' with these elements, the first half with
>>>>ATGC and the send half with 01, or ??, etc.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Good point.
>>>
>>>I liked the background in Gyro Funch's logo: a mixture of 01's and ATGC's.
>>>We can do something similar with our logo....
>>>
>>>Thanks for the suggestion.
>>>
>>>-Thomas
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