From magali.michaut at iscb.org  Thu Apr 11 02:23:52 2013
From: magali.michaut at iscb.org (Magali Michaut)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:23:52 +0200
Subject: [Open-bio-l] Reminder: Junior PI meeting: a satellite of ISMB-ECCB
	2013
Message-ID: <689AF3B6-7959-487E-91AE-567E3E5C12BD@iscb.org>

Transitioning from Post-doc to (junior) PI is a major step in the scientific career ladder bringing new challenges to the scientist. Key among these challenges is moving from a single project-based responsibility to being responsible for the projects of students, technicians, and postdocs. On top of this, the researcher is expected to be a successful grant writer, a human resources manager, an engaging speaker, etc.

In this meeting we aim to bring together scientists who have recently started or wish to start their own research group. This meeting will serve as a platform for building a community of junior PIs within the broader field of Computational Biology.

To participate you have to submit a short summary of your scientific research interests and future plans which will be distributed before the event to all participants to facilitate the interactions. They will also be peer-reviewed as part of the participant selection process. One of the most important goals of this meeting is to stimulate peer-to-peer interactions, which requires time and effort. We will thus require all participants to commit to the entire program duration. 

The total number of delegates will be capped at 50, so don't wait to submit your abstract!

** Submission deadline: April 19 **
https://www.easychair.org/conferences/?jpi2013

Date of the meeting: 20 July 2013
http://www.iscb.org/ismbeccb2013-program/ismbeccb2013-jpi/about-jpi


Organizers:
Jeroen de Ridder, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands
Venkata P. Satagopam, University of Luxembourg, Luxembourg
Manuel Corpas, The Genome Analysis Centre, UK
Magali Michaut, Netherlands Cancer Institute, The Netherlands
Yana Bromberg, Rutgers University, USA
Nils Gehlenborg, Harvard Medical School, USA
Geoff Macintyre, University of Melbourne, Australia



From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 16 10:00:20 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 15:00:20 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] [Bioperl-l] Some trouble getting started
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Shall we move this to the cross-project list and/or root-l instead?

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Fields, Christopher J
<cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> That bug is a bit odd - it doesn't seem to have been filed against
>> any particular project, and has no assignee - and so most likely
>> no one was ever emailed of the bug's existence. :(
>>
>> Peter
>
> It's an OBF bug; makes sense in light of the common wiki issues
> across Bio* wikis at the moment.  Looks as if we never decided
> where such issues end up going or who they would be assigned to.

My mistake - it wasn't clear from the bug page, but issue 3424 is
actually filed under the general obf project,
https://redmine.open-bio.org/issues/3424
https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/obf

I guess we could have had the root-l or open-bio-l lists the
default assignee for that project (much like how we have the
biopython-dev mailing list as the default assignee for Biopython
issues on RedMine).

> What is the consensus on using redmine at the moment?  Are the
> various Bio* (except BioPerl) still using it?  Using Github?  I haven't
> gone there primarily b/c they don't allow attachments (though that
> isn't necessarily a bad thing in some cases?).  Reason I ask: I
> would suggest we set up this project tracker so that it's primarily
> around web-admin, etc. for OBF, point the email forwards to
> somewhere useful, populate it with devs from the various groups,
> etc.  But, if no one but bioperl is using redmine then I don't see
> the point.

In the short term improving the OBF project setup on RedMine
seems a good idea (default assignees and new issue alerts).
https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/obf

BioSQL and BioRuby are also using RedMine according to their
homepages.

Biopython is still using RedMine but we're talking about moving
to the GitHub issue tracker instead (you can use github gists for
attachments), most likely a manual transfer and triage of all the
old open issues.

According to their homepage, BioJava are already using
GitHub, I don't know if they turned off filing bugs on Redmine
(and if not, that would be sensible):
https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/biojava

If we do all move to GitHub issues, then for general OBF
bug tracking (e.g. wordpress setup, DNS issues) we could
use something under https://github.com/OBF/ for that.

Regards,

Peter


From cjfields at illinois.edu  Tue Apr 16 10:21:40 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:21:40 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] [Bioperl-l] Some trouble getting started
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	<CAKVJ-_6SOapa65Ex0pgfAb7i1_FjE=y1NceNGhZo3uDSo+m9Ww@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKVJ-_5B1Yjo5V86fbLQr-ZhatYDM3-ZaBq4_Ci8wYvqyGqNMQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Apr 16, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com>
 wrote:

> Shall we move this to the cross-project list and/or root-l instead?
> 
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Fields, Christopher J
> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>> That bug is a bit odd - it doesn't seem to have been filed against
>>> any particular project, and has no assignee - and so most likely
>>> no one was ever emailed of the bug's existence. :(
>>> 
>>> Peter
>> 
>> It's an OBF bug; makes sense in light of the common wiki issues
>> across Bio* wikis at the moment.  Looks as if we never decided
>> where such issues end up going or who they would be assigned to.
> 
> My mistake - it wasn't clear from the bug page, but issue 3424 is
> actually filed under the general obf project,
> https://redmine.open-bio.org/issues/3424
> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/obf
> 
> I guess we could have had the root-l or open-bio-l lists the
> default assignee for that project (much like how we have the
> biopython-dev mailing list as the default assignee for Biopython
> issues on RedMine).

That sounds fine to me; I anticipate very few of these things cropping up.  We'll need to set up the redmine email on the white list for the group chosen.

>> What is the consensus on using redmine at the moment?  Are the
>> various Bio* (except BioPerl) still using it?  Using Github?  I haven't
>> gone there primarily b/c they don't allow attachments (though that
>> isn't necessarily a bad thing in some cases?).  Reason I ask: I
>> would suggest we set up this project tracker so that it's primarily
>> around web-admin, etc. for OBF, point the email forwards to
>> somewhere useful, populate it with devs from the various groups,
>> etc.  But, if no one but bioperl is using redmine then I don't see
>> the point.
> 
> In the short term improving the OBF project setup on RedMine
> seems a good idea (default assignees and new issue alerts).
> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/obf
> 
> BioSQL and BioRuby are also using RedMine according to their
> homepages.
> 
> Biopython is still using RedMine but we're talking about moving
> to the GitHub issue tracker instead (you can use github gists for
> attachments), most likely a manual transfer and triage of all the
> old open issues.

gists don't accept attachments as uploads; it's a copy and paste (so text is fine, but items such as a tarball are not w/o embedding some base64 encoding).  You can do image attachments, though:

https://github.com/blog/1347-issue-attachments

Again, it's not necessarily a bad thing that (most) attachments are not supported, but we do get users sending in scripts, data, etc. so it's worth bringing up.

> According to their homepage, BioJava are already using
> GitHub, I don't know if they turned off filing bugs on Redmine
> (and if not, that would be sensible):
> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/biojava

Might be worth checking with them.  

> If we do all move to GitHub issues, then for general OBF
> bug tracking (e.g. wordpress setup, DNS issues) we could
> use something under https://github.com/OBF/ for that.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter

Yes; could probably set up a web-admin repo (or similar) if needed to activate Issues.

chris



From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 16 12:00:59 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:00:59 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] Bug tracking and OBF infrastructure,
	was: Some trouble getting started
Message-ID: <CAKVJ-_5==NLOSpwCQ3Gv6FzMV-WPXnvx=ykBd_Fyr1d8fgqz4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm dropping BioPerl-l from this discussion which is now about bug
tracking for the cross-project infrastructure. The thread start was:
http://lists.open-bio.org/pipermail/bioperl-l/2013-April/037230.html

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Fields, Christopher J
<cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>> Shall we move this to the cross-project list and/or root-l instead?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Fields, Christopher J
>> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>> That bug is a bit odd - it doesn't seem to have been filed against
>>>> any particular project, and has no assignee - and so most likely
>>>> no one was ever emailed of the bug's existence. :(
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>
>>> It's an OBF bug; makes sense in light of the common wiki issues
>>> across Bio* wikis at the moment.  Looks as if we never decided
>>> where such issues end up going or who they would be assigned to.
>>
>> My mistake - it wasn't clear from the bug page, but issue 3424 is
>> actually filed under the general obf project,
>> https://redmine.open-bio.org/issues/3424
>> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/obf
>>
>> I guess we could have had the root-l or open-bio-l lists the
>> default assignee for that project (much like how we have the
>> biopython-dev mailing list as the default assignee for Biopython
>> issues on RedMine).
>
> That sounds fine to me; I anticipate very few of these things cropping
> up.  We'll need to set up the redmine email on the white list for the
> group chosen.

Is that something you know how to do Chris? Evidently we
managed for Biopython but I don't recall anything about the
process (it may not have been me that did it).

Does anyone have a preference for which list general bugs about
the shared resources like the websites, wikis, redmine etc would
go? Note root-l has a private archive, while open-bio-l has a
public archive.

If not, I suggest root-l on the grounds that they'll be the people
having to fix any issues with our servers.

>>> What is the consensus on using redmine at the moment?  Are the
>>> various Bio* (except BioPerl) still using it?  Using Github?  I haven't
>>> gone there primarily b/c they don't allow attachments (though that
>>> isn't necessarily a bad thing in some cases?).  Reason I ask: I
>>> would suggest we set up this project tracker so that it's primarily
>>> around web-admin, etc. for OBF, point the email forwards to
>>> somewhere useful, populate it with devs from the various groups,
>>> etc.  But, if no one but bioperl is using redmine then I don't see
>>> the point.
>>
>> In the short term improving the OBF project setup on RedMine
>> seems a good idea (default assignees and new issue alerts).
>> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/obf
>>
>> BioSQL and BioRuby are also using RedMine according to their
>> homepages.
>>
>> Biopython is still using RedMine but we're talking about moving
>> to the GitHub issue tracker instead (you can use github gists for
>> attachments), most likely a manual transfer and triage of all the
>> old open issues.
>
> gists don't accept attachments as uploads; it's a copy and paste
> (so text is fine, but items such as a tarball are not w/o embedding
> some base64 encoding).  You can do image attachments, though:
>
> https://github.com/blog/1347-issue-attachments
>
> Again, it's not necessarily a bad thing that (most) attachments are
> not supported, but we do get users sending in scripts, data, etc.
> so it's worth bringing up.
>
>> According to their homepage, BioJava are already using
>> GitHub, I don't know if they turned off filing bugs on Redmine
>> (and if not, that would be sensible):
>> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/biojava
>
> Might be worth checking with them.

Andreas - do you have any comments from BioJava about the
github issue tracker versus RedMine? Was it a good move?

>> If we do all move to GitHub issues, then for general OBF
>> bug tracking (e.g. wordpress setup, DNS issues) we could
>> use something under https://github.com/OBF/ for that.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Peter
>
> Yes; could probably set up a web-admin repo (or similar) if
> needed to activate Issues.
>
> chris

Regards,

Peter


From sbliven at ucsd.edu  Wed Apr 17 15:59:46 2013
From: sbliven at ucsd.edu (Spencer Bliven)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:59:46 -0700
Subject: [Open-bio-l] [Root-l] [Bioperl-l] Some trouble getting started
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On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com>wrote:

> According to their homepage, BioJava are already using
> GitHub, I don't know if they turned off filing bugs on Redmine
> (and if not, that would be sensible):
> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/biojava
>


We should indeed turn off filing new bugs for BioJava, although it would be
nice to still be able to access existing bugs. I'm not exactly sure how to
do this. Would anyone mind switching the BioJava project to read-only, or
should I dig into the redmine docs?

-Spencer

From cjfields at illinois.edu  Wed Apr 17 21:31:00 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 01:31:00 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] [Root-l] [Bioperl-l] Some trouble getting started
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On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Spencer Bliven <sbliven at ucsd.edu> wrote:

> 
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
> According to their homepage, BioJava are already using
> GitHub, I don't know if they turned off filing bugs on Redmine
> (and if not, that would be sensible):
> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/biojava
> 
> 
> We should indeed turn off filing new bugs for BioJava, although it would be nice to still be able to access existing bugs. I'm not exactly sure how to do this. Would anyone mind switching the BioJava project to read-only, or should I dig into the redmine docs?
> 
> -Spencer

Closing a repo (making read-only) is only supported in newer versions of redmine, but we can probably set it up so that bug reports for that project require elevated permissions (which would actively prevent anyone beyond a group admin from submitting new ones).  Should suffice; I can check up on that.

chris

From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 00:39:30 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 04:39:30 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
Message-ID: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE51E6@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>

Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:

bioperl.org
open-bio.org
biopython.org
biojava.org
biosql.org
biodas.org

I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.

chris




From hlapp at drycafe.net  Thu Apr 18 02:57:05 2013
From: hlapp at drycafe.net (Hilmar Lapp)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 23:57:05 -0700
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
In-Reply-To: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE51E6@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
References: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE51E6@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
Message-ID: <D9770E1F-148C-4BFE-9484-5C89DEE55E69@drycafe.net>

Awesome - thanks & kudos to Chris (F) and Chris (M)!

-hilmar

Sent with a tap.

On Apr 17, 2013, at 9:39 PM, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:

> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
> 
> bioperl.org
> open-bio.org
> biopython.org
> biojava.org
> biosql.org
> biodas.org
> 
> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
> 
> chris
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Open-Bio-l mailing list
> Open-Bio-l at lists.open-bio.org
> http://lists.open-bio.org/mailman/listinfo/open-bio-l


From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 18 05:03:41 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:03:41 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
In-Reply-To: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE51E6@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
References: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE51E6@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
Message-ID: <CAKVJ-_54YmjVVTeeMJAcCcVNUKL+4jCDOAo5yPjJ-AbWovNkCQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <
cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and
a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID
working again on the following wiki sites:
>
> bioperl.org
> open-bio.org
> biopython.org
> biojava.org
> biosql.org
> biodas.org
>
> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins
using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>
> chris

Good work Chris & Chris,

I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account
via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights
:)

The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I
already had accounts there).

However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account,
which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck
here - there is no option to create a new account?

[image: Inline image 2]

Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.

Peter

Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page -
probably completely unrelated.
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From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 08:44:01 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:44:01 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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Message-ID: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE6424@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>

I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?

If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).

chris

On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> > Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
> >
> > bioperl.org
> > open-bio.org
> > biopython.org
> > biojava.org
> > biosql.org
> > biodas.org
> >
> > I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
> >
> > chris
> 
> Good work Chris & Chris,
> 
> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
> 
> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
> 
> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
> 
> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
> 
> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
> 
> Peter
> 
> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
> 



From voldrani at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 08:56:17 2013
From: voldrani at gmail.com (Chris Maloney)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:56:17 -0400
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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[Resending to all]

No, I had the same problem, and just left a note on Basecamp.  There
is no way past that screen, if you don't already have an account.  I
compared the way it works on my home server, and attached two screen
snaps there.

Let me know if you are too busy, and I'll try to figure out the cause.


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fields, Christopher J
<cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?
>
> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>
> chris
>
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> > Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
>> >
>> > bioperl.org
>> > open-bio.org
>> > biopython.org
>> > biojava.org
>> > biosql.org
>> > biodas.org
>> >
>> > I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>> >
>> > chris
>>
>> Good work Chris & Chris,
>>
>> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
>>
>> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
>>
>> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
>>
>> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
>>
>


From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 09:16:04 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:16:04 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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It's possible I already had accounts on those from the initial install.  I'll make the LocalSettings.php files writable and set it so there is a default login.  Chris M., I've also added you to the apache group so you should be able to make modifications.

Also, looks as if Chris M.'s update on BaseCamp is spot-on about the MW version being a problem, this may require an upgrade:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:OpenID#x.5BSOLVED.5D_OpenID_for_MediaWiki_1.18_.28addExtensionField_method_missing.29_13654

chris (f)

PS - I may have to go by my IRC ID (pyrimidine) if we add too many more Chris's :)

On Apr 18, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Chris Maloney <voldrani at gmail.com>
 wrote:

> [Resending to all]
> 
> No, I had the same problem, and just left a note on Basecamp.  There
> is no way past that screen, if you don't already have an account.  I
> compared the way it works on my home server, and attached two screen
> snaps there.
> 
> Let me know if you are too busy, and I'll try to figure out the cause.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fields, Christopher J
> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?
>> 
>> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>> 
>> chris
>> 
>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
>>>> 
>>>> bioperl.org
>>>> open-bio.org
>>>> biopython.org
>>>> biojava.org
>>>> biosql.org
>>>> biodas.org
>>>> 
>>>> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>>>> 
>>>> chris
>>> 
>>> Good work Chris & Chris,
>>> 
>>> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
>>> 
>>> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
>>> 
>>> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
>>> 
>>> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
>>> 
>>> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
>>> 
>> 



From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 18 09:24:10 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:24:10 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Fields, Christopher J
<cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> I believe if you leave the fields empty,

No, blocked with:

"Incorrect password entered. Please try again.

All users need a nickname; you can choose one from the options below."

> or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist,

No blocked, same message.

> it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').
> A little non-intuitive, though. I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to
> muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?

If you fill in an unused username AND a desired password, then it seems
to work (not sure if you'd changed anything in the meantime though).
Certainly non-intuitive right now :(

> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page
> to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>
> chris

If we can edit the prompt for clarity that should suffice (assuming that doing
any updates doesn't solve this more elegantly). :)

Thanks,

Peter

From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 09:20:46 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:20:46 +0000
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Sent that about 3 seconds too early?

Looks as if there are several additional switches that can be set (defaults to FALSE):

$wgOpenIDUseEmailAsNickname = true;
$wgOpenIDAllowExistingAccountSelection = false;
$wgOpenIDAllowNewAccountname = false;

Will RTFM on our installed version to confirm and see if I can dig those up.  The 1.18.x issue that seemed to be a blocker (OpenID pref panel) actually works for us, so I'm not sure an upgrade is needed yet.

chris

On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Christopher Fields <cjfields at illinois.edu>
 wrote:

> It's possible I already had accounts on those from the initial install.  I'll make the LocalSettings.php files writable and set it so there is a default login.  Chris M., I've also added you to the apache group so you should be able to make modifications.
> 
> Also, looks as if Chris M.'s update on BaseCamp is spot-on about the MW version being a problem, this may require an upgrade:
> 
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:OpenID#x.5BSOLVED.5D_OpenID_for_MediaWiki_1.18_.28addExtensionField_method_missing.29_13654
> 
> chris (f)
> 
> PS - I may have to go by my IRC ID (pyrimidine) if we add too many more Chris's :)
> 
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Chris Maloney <voldrani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> [Resending to all]
>> 
>> No, I had the same problem, and just left a note on Basecamp.  There
>> is no way past that screen, if you don't already have an account.  I
>> compared the way it works on my home server, and attached two screen
>> snaps there.
>> 
>> Let me know if you are too busy, and I'll try to figure out the cause.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fields, Christopher J
>> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>> I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?
>>> 
>>> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>>> 
>>> chris
>>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
>>>>> 
>>>>> bioperl.org
>>>>> open-bio.org
>>>>> biopython.org
>>>>> biojava.org
>>>>> biosql.org
>>>>> biodas.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> chris
>>>> 
>>>> Good work Chris & Chris,
>>>> 
>>>> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
>>>> 
>>>> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
>>>> 
>>>> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
>>>> 
>>>> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
>>>> 
>>>> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
>>>> 
>>> 
> 



From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 09:42:32 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:42:32 +0000
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Okay, those settings are true by default; explicitly setting them in LocalSettings.php doesn't work.  So I think we should look into a MW upgrade.  I'll re-enable normal logins for the time being; using that route at least allows users to set up an account (OpenID works fine once that is in place).

chris

On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu>
 wrote:

> Sent that about 3 seconds too early?
> 
> Looks as if there are several additional switches that can be set (defaults to FALSE):
> 
> $wgOpenIDUseEmailAsNickname = true;
> $wgOpenIDAllowExistingAccountSelection = false;
> $wgOpenIDAllowNewAccountname = false;
> 
> Will RTFM on our installed version to confirm and see if I can dig those up.  The 1.18.x issue that seemed to be a blocker (OpenID pref panel) actually works for us, so I'm not sure an upgrade is needed yet.
> 
> chris
> 
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Christopher Fields <cjfields at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>> It's possible I already had accounts on those from the initial install.  I'll make the LocalSettings.php files writable and set it so there is a default login.  Chris M., I've also added you to the apache group so you should be able to make modifications.
>> 
>> Also, looks as if Chris M.'s update on BaseCamp is spot-on about the MW version being a problem, this may require an upgrade:
>> 
>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:OpenID#x.5BSOLVED.5D_OpenID_for_MediaWiki_1.18_.28addExtensionField_method_missing.29_13654
>> 
>> chris (f)
>> 
>> PS - I may have to go by my IRC ID (pyrimidine) if we add too many more Chris's :)
>> 
>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Chris Maloney <voldrani at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> [Resending to all]
>>> 
>>> No, I had the same problem, and just left a note on Basecamp.  There
>>> is no way past that screen, if you don't already have an account.  I
>>> compared the way it works on my home server, and attached two screen
>>> snaps there.
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you are too busy, and I'll try to figure out the cause.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fields, Christopher J
>>> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>> I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?
>>>> 
>>>> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>>>> 
>>>> chris
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> bioperl.org
>>>>>> open-bio.org
>>>>>> biopython.org
>>>>>> biojava.org
>>>>>> biosql.org
>>>>>> biodas.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good work Chris & Chris,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
>>>>> 
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
> 
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From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 13:41:18 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:41:18 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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Nevermind, Naohisa pointed out on Basecamp that there is an explicit account creation setting that needed to be commented out.  This seems to be fixed now on the various sites; can everyone confirm?

chris

On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:42 AM, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:

> Okay, those settings are true by default; explicitly setting them in LocalSettings.php doesn't work.  So I think we should look into a MW upgrade.  I'll re-enable normal logins for the time being; using that route at least allows users to set up an account (OpenID works fine once that is in place).
> 
> chris
> 
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>> Sent that about 3 seconds too early?
>> 
>> Looks as if there are several additional switches that can be set (defaults to FALSE):
>> 
>> $wgOpenIDUseEmailAsNickname = true;
>> $wgOpenIDAllowExistingAccountSelection = false;
>> $wgOpenIDAllowNewAccountname = false;
>> 
>> Will RTFM on our installed version to confirm and see if I can dig those up.  The 1.18.x issue that seemed to be a blocker (OpenID pref panel) actually works for us, so I'm not sure an upgrade is needed yet.
>> 
>> chris
>> 
>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Christopher Fields <cjfields at illinois.edu>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> It's possible I already had accounts on those from the initial install.  I'll make the LocalSettings.php files writable and set it so there is a default login.  Chris M., I've also added you to the apache group so you should be able to make modifications.
>>> 
>>> Also, looks as if Chris M.'s update on BaseCamp is spot-on about the MW version being a problem, this may require an upgrade:
>>> 
>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:OpenID#x.5BSOLVED.5D_OpenID_for_MediaWiki_1.18_.28addExtensionField_method_missing.29_13654
>>> 
>>> chris (f)
>>> 
>>> PS - I may have to go by my IRC ID (pyrimidine) if we add too many more Chris's :)
>>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Chris Maloney <voldrani at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> [Resending to all]
>>>> 
>>>> No, I had the same problem, and just left a note on Basecamp.  There
>>>> is no way past that screen, if you don't already have an account.  I
>>>> compared the way it works on my home server, and attached two screen
>>>> snaps there.
>>>> 
>>>> Let me know if you are too busy, and I'll try to figure out the cause.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fields, Christopher J
>>>> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>> I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>>>>> 
>>>>> chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> bioperl.org
>>>>>>> open-bio.org
>>>>>>> biopython.org
>>>>>>> biojava.org
>>>>>>> biosql.org
>>>>>>> biodas.org
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> chris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good work Chris & Chris,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk  Fri Apr 19 04:46:10 2013
From: andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk (Andy Jenkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:46:10 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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Hi Chris,

It all works on biodas.org?

Except I am suspicious of the number of accounts created today:
http://www.biodas.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges

I notice the captcha is, shall we say, not too troubling.

Cheers,
Andy

On 18 Apr 2013, at 18:41, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:

> Nevermind, Naohisa pointed out on Basecamp that there is an explicit account creation setting that needed to be commented out.  This seems to be fixed now on the various sites; can everyone confirm?
> 
> chris
> 
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:42 AM, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Okay, those settings are true by default; explicitly setting them in LocalSettings.php doesn't work.  So I think we should look into a MW upgrade.  I'll re-enable normal logins for the time being; using that route at least allows users to set up an account (OpenID works fine once that is in place).
>> 
>> chris
>> 
>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sent that about 3 seconds too early?
>>> 
>>> Looks as if there are several additional switches that can be set (defaults to FALSE):
>>> 
>>> $wgOpenIDUseEmailAsNickname = true;
>>> $wgOpenIDAllowExistingAccountSelection = false;
>>> $wgOpenIDAllowNewAccountname = false;
>>> 
>>> Will RTFM on our installed version to confirm and see if I can dig those up.  The 1.18.x issue that seemed to be a blocker (OpenID pref panel) actually works for us, so I'm not sure an upgrade is needed yet.
>>> 
>>> chris
>>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Christopher Fields <cjfields at illinois.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It's possible I already had accounts on those from the initial install.  I'll make the LocalSettings.php files writable and set it so there is a default login.  Chris M., I've also added you to the apache group so you should be able to make modifications.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, looks as if Chris M.'s update on BaseCamp is spot-on about the MW version being a problem, this may require an upgrade:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:OpenID#x.5BSOLVED.5D_OpenID_for_MediaWiki_1.18_.28addExtensionField_method_missing.29_13654
>>>> 
>>>> chris (f)
>>>> 
>>>> PS - I may have to go by my IRC ID (pyrimidine) if we add too many more Chris's :)
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Chris Maloney <voldrani at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> [Resending to all]
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, I had the same problem, and just left a note on Basecamp.  There
>>>>> is no way past that screen, if you don't already have an account.  I
>>>>> compared the way it works on my home server, and attached two screen
>>>>> snaps there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let me know if you are too busy, and I'll try to figure out the cause.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fields, Christopher J
>>>>> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> chris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> bioperl.org
>>>>>>>> open-bio.org
>>>>>>>> biopython.org
>>>>>>>> biojava.org
>>>>>>>> biosql.org
>>>>>>>> biodas.org
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> chris
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good work Chris & Chris,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 19 05:02:51 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:02:51 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Andy Jenkinson
<andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> It all works on biodas.org?
>
> Except I am suspicious of the number of accounts created today:
> http://www.biodas.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
>
> I notice the captcha is, shall we say, not too troubling.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy

Thanks for that heads up - I checked (most of?) the other wiki
pages and touch wood none of them have been hit like that yet.
It may be that something is more open on BioDAS or your were
just unlucky.

Over on root-l we're looking at updating MediaWiki for all the
OBF hosted wikis as part of getting OpenID working properly.

Peter


From andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk  Fri Apr 19 05:16:19 2013
From: andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk (Andy Jenkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:16:19 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:02, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Andy Jenkinson
> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> It all works on biodas.org?
>> 
>> Except I am suspicious of the number of accounts created today:
>> http://www.biodas.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
>> 
>> I notice the captcha is, shall we say, not too troubling.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Andy
> 
> Thanks for that heads up - I checked (most of?) the other wiki
> pages and touch wood none of them have been hit like that yet.
> It may be that something is more open on BioDAS or your were
> just unlucky.

The wiki is uncontrollably full of spam from when this was a problem in the past, so it's probably on some list somewhere.

> Over on root-l we're looking at updating MediaWiki for all the
> OBF hosted wikis as part of getting OpenID working properly.


Yes I know, but I'm not sure if that will actually fix the spam problem? And are there any captcha settings we can tweak in the meantime? Every now and again I spend an awful lot of time deleting pages and blocking accounts, which is sadly all rather pointless if they can create new ones.

From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 19 05:24:20 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:24:20 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Andy Jenkinson
<andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
> On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:02, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Andy Jenkinson
>> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> It all works on biodas.org?
>>>
>>> Except I am suspicious of the number of accounts created today:
>>> http://www.biodas.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
>>>
>>> I notice the captcha is, shall we say, not too troubling.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andy
>>
>> Thanks for that heads up - I checked (most of?) the other wiki
>> pages and touch wood none of them have been hit like that yet.
>> It may be that something is more open on BioDAS or your were
>> just unlucky.
>
> The wiki is uncontrollably full of spam from when this was a
> problem in the past, so it's probably on some list somewhere.
>
>> Over on root-l we're looking at updating MediaWiki for all the
>> OBF hosted wikis as part of getting OpenID working properly.
>
> Yes I know, but I'm not sure if that will actually fix the spam problem?
> And are there any captcha settings we can tweak in the meantime?

The idea is that account creation requires OpenID, which is more
hassle for spammers to go though, and should throttle them.

> Every now and again I spend an awful lot of time deleting pages
> and blocking accounts, which is sadly all rather pointless if they
> can create new ones.

I've had days wasted on wikis like that too - although not recently.

Maybe we should go for moderation to create new accounts on
the BioDAS wiki and any others being hit hard by spammers?

The OBF are also interested in moving the wikis to a hosted
solution - even paying someone else has some appeal. One
option is to use GitHub's wiki - since most of the Bio* projects
now use GitHub for their repositories.

Peter


From andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk  Fri Apr 19 05:48:09 2013
From: andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk (Andy Jenkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:48:09 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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>>> Over on root-l we're looking at updating MediaWiki for all the
>>> OBF hosted wikis as part of getting OpenID working properly.
>> 
>> Yes I know, but I'm not sure if that will actually fix the spam problem?
>> And are there any captcha settings we can tweak in the meantime?
> 
> The idea is that account creation requires OpenID, which is more
> hassle for spammers to go though, and should throttle them.

What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or OpenID?

>> Every now and again I spend an awful lot of time deleting pages
>> and blocking accounts, which is sadly all rather pointless if they
>> can create new ones.
> 
> I've had days wasted on wikis like that too - although not recently.

Yes there has been no spam on BioDAS since August, which I had associated with the login not working properly.

> Maybe we should go for moderation to create new accounts on
> the BioDAS wiki and any others being hit hard by spammers?

Yes that could work if done manageably, but with there being 31 accounts created within 7 hours this morning, I'm not particularly keen on getting all those emails!

> The OBF are also interested in moving the wikis to a hosted
> solution - even paying someone else has some appeal. One
> option is to use GitHub's wiki - since most of the Bio* projects
> now use GitHub for their repositories.

Hopefully the porting can be automated...

From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 19 05:57:16 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:57:16 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
<andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> Over on root-l we're looking at updating MediaWiki for all the
>>>> OBF hosted wikis as part of getting OpenID working properly.
>>>
>>> Yes I know, but I'm not sure if that will actually fix the spam problem?
>>> And are there any captcha settings we can tweak in the meantime?
>>
>> The idea is that account creation requires OpenID, which is more
>> hassle for spammers to go though, and should throttle them.
>
> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
> OpenID?

OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.

>>> Every now and again I spend an awful lot of time deleting pages
>>> and blocking accounts, which is sadly all rather pointless if they
>>> can create new ones.
>>
>> I've had days wasted on wikis like that too - although not recently.
>
> Yes there has been no spam on BioDAS since August, which I had
> associated with the login not working properly.

Indeed. It had its up sides.

>> Maybe we should go for moderation to create new accounts on
>> the BioDAS wiki and any others being hit hard by spammers?
>
> Yes that could work if done manageably, but with there being 31
> accounts created within 7 hours this morning, I'm not particularly
> keen on getting all those emails!

Personally I'd rather have 31 easily filed emails and do a mass
new user reject, than have to clean up after the fact.

>From the spammer's point of view, once they see new accounts
are moderated then that wiki would cease to be an easy target -
or I'd hope so anyway.

>> The OBF are also interested in moving the wikis to a hosted
>> solution - even paying someone else has some appeal. One
>> option is to use GitHub's wiki - since most of the Bio* projects
>> now use GitHub for their repositories.
>
> Hopefully the porting can be automated...

For most of the wikis that would be essential. If anyone on the
list is interested in trying this, please speak up and we'll sort
you out with access to the OBF server to take a database
dump from MediaWiki or whatever.

Thanks,

Peter

From cjfields at illinois.edu  Fri Apr 19 09:28:09 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:28:09 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Over on root-l we're looking at updating MediaWiki for all the
>>>>> OBF hosted wikis as part of getting OpenID working properly.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes I know, but I'm not sure if that will actually fix the spam problem?
>>>> And are there any captcha settings we can tweak in the meantime?
>>> 
>>> The idea is that account creation requires OpenID, which is more
>>> hassle for spammers to go though, and should throttle them.
>> 
>> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
>> OpenID?
> 
> OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
> USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.
> 
>>>> Every now and again I spend an awful lot of time deleting pages
>>>> and blocking accounts, which is sadly all rather pointless if they
>>>> can create new ones.
>>> 
>>> I've had days wasted on wikis like that too - although not recently.
>> 
>> Yes there has been no spam on BioDAS since August, which I had
>> associated with the login not working properly.
> 
> Indeed. It had its up sides.
> 
>>> Maybe we should go for moderation to create new accounts on
>>> the BioDAS wiki and any others being hit hard by spammers?
>> 
>> Yes that could work if done manageably, but with there being 31
>> accounts created within 7 hours this morning, I'm not particularly
>> keen on getting all those emails!
> 
> Personally I'd rather have 31 easily filed emails and do a mass
> new user reject, than have to clean up after the fact.
> 
> From the spammer's point of view, once they see new accounts
> are moderated then that wiki would cease to be an easy target -
> or I'd hope so anyway.
> 
>>> The OBF are also interested in moving the wikis to a hosted
>>> solution - even paying someone else has some appeal. One
>>> option is to use GitHub's wiki - since most of the Bio* projects
>>> now use GitHub for their repositories.
>> 
>> Hopefully the porting can be automated...
> 
> For most of the wikis that would be essential. If anyone on the
> list is interested in trying this, please speak up and we'll sort
> you out with access to the OBF server to take a database
> dump from MediaWiki or whatever.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter

I don't know if you can implement a secondary captcha for OpenID, but we (the other Bio*) haven't found it to be necessary as long as the only way in is to use an OpenID.  I think we had maybe one instance on bioperl.org with someone trying this, and they were very easily blocked.  Haven't seen ugg boot spam in a while (fingers crossed).

chris

From andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk  Fri Apr 19 11:55:43 2013
From: andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk (Andy Jenkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:55:43 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:28, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:

> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
>> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
>>> OpenID?
>> 
>> OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
>> USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.
> 
> I don't know if you can implement a secondary captcha for OpenID, but we (the other Bio*) haven't found it to be necessary as long as the only way in is to use an OpenID.  I think we had maybe one instance on bioperl.org with someone trying this, and they were very easily blocked.  Haven't seen ugg boot spam in a while (fingers crossed).
> 
> chris

So Chris, what was it that was fixed yesterday then? Currently I don't know if the spammers are coming via OpenID or the regular account creation process. I would have thought the latter, hence my suggestion to amend the captcha.

One thing is clear to me, it is automated. The fact that so many new accounts are created as soon as the registration/login is fixed makes me not so confident that moderating new accounts will stop the attempts. Either we turn off the part of the registration process that they are coming in via, or we make it more robust. And doing it only for biodas.org is of course fine.

From voldrani at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 20:03:12 2013
From: voldrani at gmail.com (Chris Maloney)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:03:12 -0400
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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Was this fixed?

Right now on biodas wiki I only see the option to create a new account
via OpenID.  Also, it looks like the last new account was created at
13:29 Z, so that leads me to believe Chris F or somebody else changed
something.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Andy Jenkinson
<andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:28, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
>>> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
>>>> OpenID?
>>>
>>> OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
>>> USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.
>>
>> I don't know if you can implement a secondary captcha for OpenID, but we (the other Bio*) haven't found it to be necessary as long as the only way in is to use an OpenID.  I think we had maybe one instance on bioperl.org with someone trying this, and they were very easily blocked.  Haven't seen ugg boot spam in a while (fingers crossed).
>>
>> chris
>
> So Chris, what was it that was fixed yesterday then? Currently I don't know if the spammers are coming via OpenID or the regular account creation process. I would have thought the latter, hence my suggestion to amend the captcha.
>
> One thing is clear to me, it is automated. The fact that so many new accounts are created as soon as the registration/login is fixed makes me not so confident that moderating new accounts will stop the attempts. Either we turn off the part of the registration process that they are coming in via, or we make it more robust. And doing it only for biodas.org is of course fine.


From cjfields at illinois.edu  Fri Apr 19 21:34:51 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 01:34:51 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Apr 19, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Chris Maloney <voldrani at gmail.com>
 wrote:

> Was this fixed?

Should be.  I haven't had time to bring it up to the list today (will respond to Andy's comments separately).

> Right now on biodas wiki I only see the option to create a new account
> via OpenID.  Also, it looks like the last new account was created at
> 13:29 Z, so that leads me to believe Chris F or somebody else changed
> something.

Yep.  The original intent for OpenID was to prevent spam accounts like that from being created to vandalize the site.  Seems to have worked for the time being.

chris

> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Andy Jenkinson
> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:28, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
>>>> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
>>>>> OpenID?
>>>> 
>>>> OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
>>>> USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.
>>> 
>>> I don't know if you can implement a secondary captcha for OpenID, but we (the other Bio*) haven't found it to be necessary as long as the only way in is to use an OpenID.  I think we had maybe one instance on bioperl.org with someone trying this, and they were very easily blocked.  Haven't seen ugg boot spam in a while (fingers crossed).
>>> 
>>> chris
>> 
>> So Chris, what was it that was fixed yesterday then? Currently I don't know if the spammers are coming via OpenID or the regular account creation process. I would have thought the latter, hence my suggestion to amend the captcha.
>> 
>> One thing is clear to me, it is automated. The fact that so many new accounts are created as soon as the registration/login is fixed makes me not so confident that moderating new accounts will stop the attempts. Either we turn off the part of the registration process that they are coming in via, or we make it more robust. And doing it only for biodas.org is of course fine.



From cjfields at illinois.edu  Fri Apr 19 21:39:08 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 01:39:08 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Andy Jenkinson <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:

> 
> On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:28, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
>>> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
>>>> OpenID?
>>> 
>>> OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
>>> USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.
>> 
>> I don't know if you can implement a secondary captcha for OpenID, but we (the other Bio*) haven't found it to be necessary as long as the only way in is to use an OpenID.  I think we had maybe one instance on bioperl.org with someone trying this, and they were very easily blocked.  Haven't seen ugg boot spam in a while (fingers crossed).
>> 
>> chris
> 
> So Chris, what was it that was fixed yesterday then? Currently I don't know if the spammers are coming via OpenID or the regular account creation process.

Regular accounts.  If it were OpenID you would more than likely see a full user name (like 'Christopher Fields') vs the shortened one; you can also see who has an OpenID if you're an admin by visiting this page:

http://www.bioperl.org/wiki/Special:OpenIDDashboard

and following the link in the 'registered users' line.  These accounts shouldn't have them so they can't effectively log back in w/o attaching an OpenID to them (and then they must each be unique).

> I would have thought the latter, hence my suggestion to amend the captcha.
> 
> One thing is clear to me, it is automated. The fact that so many new accounts are created as soon as the registration/login is fixed makes me not so confident that moderating new accounts will stop the attempts. Either we turn off the part of the registration process that they are coming in via, or we make it more robust. And doing it only for biodas.org is of course fine.

Let's see if OpenID squashes this, my guess is it will eliminate most problems.  If it resurfaces then we can go the more strict route.

chris (f)

From dan.bolser at gmail.com  Tue Apr 23 11:51:37 2013
From: dan.bolser at gmail.com (Dan Bolser)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:51:37 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On 19 April 2013 16:55, Andy Jenkinson <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:28, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
>>> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
>>>> OpenID?
>>>
>>> OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
>>> USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.
>>
>> I don't know if you can implement a secondary captcha for OpenID, but we (the other Bio*) haven't found it to be necessary as long as the only way in is to use an OpenID.  I think we had maybe one instance on bioperl.org with someone trying this, and they were very easily blocked.  Haven't seen ugg boot spam in a while (fingers crossed).
>>
>> chris
>
> So Chris, what was it that was fixed yesterday then? Currently I don't know if the spammers are coming via OpenID or the regular account creation process. I would have thought the latter, hence my suggestion to amend the captcha.

I hope they aren't coming from OpenID. I explicitly use 'OpenID only'
registration on my wikis to prevent this kind of problem (or at least,
push the problem back onto Google, Yahoo, et. al). So far this seems
to be working, and I'd recommend this strategy over captchas these
days.


Cheers,
Dan.

> One thing is clear to me, it is automated. The fact that so many new accounts are created as soon as the registration/login is fixed makes me not so confident that moderating new accounts will stop the attempts. Either we turn off the part of the registration process that they are coming in via, or we make it more robust. And doing it only for biodas.org is of course fine.
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From magali.michaut at iscb.org  Thu Apr 11 06:23:52 2013
From: magali.michaut at iscb.org (Magali Michaut)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:23:52 +0200
Subject: [Open-bio-l] Reminder: Junior PI meeting: a satellite of ISMB-ECCB
	2013
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From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 16 14:00:20 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 15:00:20 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] [Bioperl-l] Some trouble getting started
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Shall we move this to the cross-project list and/or root-l instead?

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Fields, Christopher J
<cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> That bug is a bit odd - it doesn't seem to have been filed against
>> any particular project, and has no assignee - and so most likely
>> no one was ever emailed of the bug's existence. :(
>>
>> Peter
>
> It's an OBF bug; makes sense in light of the common wiki issues
> across Bio* wikis at the moment.  Looks as if we never decided
> where such issues end up going or who they would be assigned to.

My mistake - it wasn't clear from the bug page, but issue 3424 is
actually filed under the general obf project,
https://redmine.open-bio.org/issues/3424
https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/obf

I guess we could have had the root-l or open-bio-l lists the
default assignee for that project (much like how we have the
biopython-dev mailing list as the default assignee for Biopython
issues on RedMine).

> What is the consensus on using redmine at the moment?  Are the
> various Bio* (except BioPerl) still using it?  Using Github?  I haven't
> gone there primarily b/c they don't allow attachments (though that
> isn't necessarily a bad thing in some cases?).  Reason I ask: I
> would suggest we set up this project tracker so that it's primarily
> around web-admin, etc. for OBF, point the email forwards to
> somewhere useful, populate it with devs from the various groups,
> etc.  But, if no one but bioperl is using redmine then I don't see
> the point.

In the short term improving the OBF project setup on RedMine
seems a good idea (default assignees and new issue alerts).
https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/obf

BioSQL and BioRuby are also using RedMine according to their
homepages.

Biopython is still using RedMine but we're talking about moving
to the GitHub issue tracker instead (you can use github gists for
attachments), most likely a manual transfer and triage of all the
old open issues.

According to their homepage, BioJava are already using
GitHub, I don't know if they turned off filing bugs on Redmine
(and if not, that would be sensible):
https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/biojava

If we do all move to GitHub issues, then for general OBF
bug tracking (e.g. wordpress setup, DNS issues) we could
use something under https://github.com/OBF/ for that.

Regards,

Peter



From cjfields at illinois.edu  Tue Apr 16 14:21:40 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:21:40 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] [Bioperl-l] Some trouble getting started
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On Apr 16, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com>
 wrote:

> Shall we move this to the cross-project list and/or root-l instead?
> 
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Fields, Christopher J
> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>> That bug is a bit odd - it doesn't seem to have been filed against
>>> any particular project, and has no assignee - and so most likely
>>> no one was ever emailed of the bug's existence. :(
>>> 
>>> Peter
>> 
>> It's an OBF bug; makes sense in light of the common wiki issues
>> across Bio* wikis at the moment.  Looks as if we never decided
>> where such issues end up going or who they would be assigned to.
> 
> My mistake - it wasn't clear from the bug page, but issue 3424 is
> actually filed under the general obf project,
> https://redmine.open-bio.org/issues/3424
> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/obf
> 
> I guess we could have had the root-l or open-bio-l lists the
> default assignee for that project (much like how we have the
> biopython-dev mailing list as the default assignee for Biopython
> issues on RedMine).

That sounds fine to me; I anticipate very few of these things cropping up.  We'll need to set up the redmine email on the white list for the group chosen.

>> What is the consensus on using redmine at the moment?  Are the
>> various Bio* (except BioPerl) still using it?  Using Github?  I haven't
>> gone there primarily b/c they don't allow attachments (though that
>> isn't necessarily a bad thing in some cases?).  Reason I ask: I
>> would suggest we set up this project tracker so that it's primarily
>> around web-admin, etc. for OBF, point the email forwards to
>> somewhere useful, populate it with devs from the various groups,
>> etc.  But, if no one but bioperl is using redmine then I don't see
>> the point.
> 
> In the short term improving the OBF project setup on RedMine
> seems a good idea (default assignees and new issue alerts).
> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/obf
> 
> BioSQL and BioRuby are also using RedMine according to their
> homepages.
> 
> Biopython is still using RedMine but we're talking about moving
> to the GitHub issue tracker instead (you can use github gists for
> attachments), most likely a manual transfer and triage of all the
> old open issues.

gists don't accept attachments as uploads; it's a copy and paste (so text is fine, but items such as a tarball are not w/o embedding some base64 encoding).  You can do image attachments, though:

https://github.com/blog/1347-issue-attachments

Again, it's not necessarily a bad thing that (most) attachments are not supported, but we do get users sending in scripts, data, etc. so it's worth bringing up.

> According to their homepage, BioJava are already using
> GitHub, I don't know if they turned off filing bugs on Redmine
> (and if not, that would be sensible):
> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/biojava

Might be worth checking with them.  

> If we do all move to GitHub issues, then for general OBF
> bug tracking (e.g. wordpress setup, DNS issues) we could
> use something under https://github.com/OBF/ for that.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter

Yes; could probably set up a web-admin repo (or similar) if needed to activate Issues.

chris




From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 16 16:00:59 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:00:59 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] Bug tracking and OBF infrastructure,
	was: Some trouble getting started
Message-ID: <CAKVJ-_5==NLOSpwCQ3Gv6FzMV-WPXnvx=ykBd_Fyr1d8fgqz4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm dropping BioPerl-l from this discussion which is now about bug
tracking for the cross-project infrastructure. The thread start was:
http://lists.open-bio.org/pipermail/bioperl-l/2013-April/037230.html

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Fields, Christopher J
<cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>> Shall we move this to the cross-project list and/or root-l instead?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Fields, Christopher J
>> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>> That bug is a bit odd - it doesn't seem to have been filed against
>>>> any particular project, and has no assignee - and so most likely
>>>> no one was ever emailed of the bug's existence. :(
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>
>>> It's an OBF bug; makes sense in light of the common wiki issues
>>> across Bio* wikis at the moment.  Looks as if we never decided
>>> where such issues end up going or who they would be assigned to.
>>
>> My mistake - it wasn't clear from the bug page, but issue 3424 is
>> actually filed under the general obf project,
>> https://redmine.open-bio.org/issues/3424
>> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/obf
>>
>> I guess we could have had the root-l or open-bio-l lists the
>> default assignee for that project (much like how we have the
>> biopython-dev mailing list as the default assignee for Biopython
>> issues on RedMine).
>
> That sounds fine to me; I anticipate very few of these things cropping
> up.  We'll need to set up the redmine email on the white list for the
> group chosen.

Is that something you know how to do Chris? Evidently we
managed for Biopython but I don't recall anything about the
process (it may not have been me that did it).

Does anyone have a preference for which list general bugs about
the shared resources like the websites, wikis, redmine etc would
go? Note root-l has a private archive, while open-bio-l has a
public archive.

If not, I suggest root-l on the grounds that they'll be the people
having to fix any issues with our servers.

>>> What is the consensus on using redmine at the moment?  Are the
>>> various Bio* (except BioPerl) still using it?  Using Github?  I haven't
>>> gone there primarily b/c they don't allow attachments (though that
>>> isn't necessarily a bad thing in some cases?).  Reason I ask: I
>>> would suggest we set up this project tracker so that it's primarily
>>> around web-admin, etc. for OBF, point the email forwards to
>>> somewhere useful, populate it with devs from the various groups,
>>> etc.  But, if no one but bioperl is using redmine then I don't see
>>> the point.
>>
>> In the short term improving the OBF project setup on RedMine
>> seems a good idea (default assignees and new issue alerts).
>> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/obf
>>
>> BioSQL and BioRuby are also using RedMine according to their
>> homepages.
>>
>> Biopython is still using RedMine but we're talking about moving
>> to the GitHub issue tracker instead (you can use github gists for
>> attachments), most likely a manual transfer and triage of all the
>> old open issues.
>
> gists don't accept attachments as uploads; it's a copy and paste
> (so text is fine, but items such as a tarball are not w/o embedding
> some base64 encoding).  You can do image attachments, though:
>
> https://github.com/blog/1347-issue-attachments
>
> Again, it's not necessarily a bad thing that (most) attachments are
> not supported, but we do get users sending in scripts, data, etc.
> so it's worth bringing up.
>
>> According to their homepage, BioJava are already using
>> GitHub, I don't know if they turned off filing bugs on Redmine
>> (and if not, that would be sensible):
>> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/biojava
>
> Might be worth checking with them.

Andreas - do you have any comments from BioJava about the
github issue tracker versus RedMine? Was it a good move?

>> If we do all move to GitHub issues, then for general OBF
>> bug tracking (e.g. wordpress setup, DNS issues) we could
>> use something under https://github.com/OBF/ for that.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Peter
>
> Yes; could probably set up a web-admin repo (or similar) if
> needed to activate Issues.
>
> chris

Regards,

Peter



From sbliven at ucsd.edu  Wed Apr 17 19:59:46 2013
From: sbliven at ucsd.edu (Spencer Bliven)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:59:46 -0700
Subject: [Open-bio-l] [Root-l] [Bioperl-l] Some trouble getting started
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On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com>wrote:

> According to their homepage, BioJava are already using
> GitHub, I don't know if they turned off filing bugs on Redmine
> (and if not, that would be sensible):
> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/biojava
>


We should indeed turn off filing new bugs for BioJava, although it would be
nice to still be able to access existing bugs. I'm not exactly sure how to
do this. Would anyone mind switching the BioJava project to read-only, or
should I dig into the redmine docs?

-Spencer


From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 01:31:00 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 01:31:00 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] [Root-l] [Bioperl-l] Some trouble getting started
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On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Spencer Bliven <sbliven at ucsd.edu> wrote:

> 
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
> According to their homepage, BioJava are already using
> GitHub, I don't know if they turned off filing bugs on Redmine
> (and if not, that would be sensible):
> https://redmine.open-bio.org/projects/biojava
> 
> 
> We should indeed turn off filing new bugs for BioJava, although it would be nice to still be able to access existing bugs. I'm not exactly sure how to do this. Would anyone mind switching the BioJava project to read-only, or should I dig into the redmine docs?
> 
> -Spencer

Closing a repo (making read-only) is only supported in newer versions of redmine, but we can probably set it up so that bug reports for that project require elevated permissions (which would actively prevent anyone beyond a group admin from submitting new ones).  Should suffice; I can check up on that.

chris


From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 04:39:30 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 04:39:30 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
Message-ID: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE51E6@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>

Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:

bioperl.org
open-bio.org
biopython.org
biojava.org
biosql.org
biodas.org

I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.

chris





From hlapp at drycafe.net  Thu Apr 18 06:57:05 2013
From: hlapp at drycafe.net (Hilmar Lapp)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 23:57:05 -0700
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
In-Reply-To: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE51E6@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
References: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE51E6@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
Message-ID: <D9770E1F-148C-4BFE-9484-5C89DEE55E69@drycafe.net>

Awesome - thanks & kudos to Chris (F) and Chris (M)!

-hilmar

Sent with a tap.

On Apr 17, 2013, at 9:39 PM, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:

> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
> 
> bioperl.org
> open-bio.org
> biopython.org
> biojava.org
> biosql.org
> biodas.org
> 
> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
> 
> chris
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Open-Bio-l mailing list
> Open-Bio-l at lists.open-bio.org
> http://lists.open-bio.org/mailman/listinfo/open-bio-l



From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 18 09:03:41 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:03:41 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
In-Reply-To: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE51E6@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
References: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE51E6@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
Message-ID: <CAKVJ-_54YmjVVTeeMJAcCcVNUKL+4jCDOAo5yPjJ-AbWovNkCQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <
cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and
a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID
working again on the following wiki sites:
>
> bioperl.org
> open-bio.org
> biopython.org
> biojava.org
> biosql.org
> biodas.org
>
> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins
using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>
> chris

Good work Chris & Chris,

I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account
via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights
:)

The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I
already had accounts there).

However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account,
which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck
here - there is no option to create a new account?

[image: Inline image 2]

Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.

Peter

Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page -
probably completely unrelated.
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From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 12:44:01 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:44:01 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?

If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).

chris

On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> > Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
> >
> > bioperl.org
> > open-bio.org
> > biopython.org
> > biojava.org
> > biosql.org
> > biodas.org
> >
> > I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
> >
> > chris
> 
> Good work Chris & Chris,
> 
> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
> 
> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
> 
> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
> 
> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
> 
> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
> 
> Peter
> 
> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
> 




From voldrani at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 12:56:17 2013
From: voldrani at gmail.com (Chris Maloney)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:56:17 -0400
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
In-Reply-To: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE6424@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
References: <118F034CF4C3EF48A96F86CE585B94BF74DE51E6@CHIMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
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[Resending to all]

No, I had the same problem, and just left a note on Basecamp.  There
is no way past that screen, if you don't already have an account.  I
compared the way it works on my home server, and attached two screen
snaps there.

Let me know if you are too busy, and I'll try to figure out the cause.


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fields, Christopher J
<cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?
>
> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>
> chris
>
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> > Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
>> >
>> > bioperl.org
>> > open-bio.org
>> > biopython.org
>> > biojava.org
>> > biosql.org
>> > biodas.org
>> >
>> > I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>> >
>> > chris
>>
>> Good work Chris & Chris,
>>
>> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
>>
>> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
>>
>> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
>>
>> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
>>
>



From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 13:16:04 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:16:04 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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It's possible I already had accounts on those from the initial install.  I'll make the LocalSettings.php files writable and set it so there is a default login.  Chris M., I've also added you to the apache group so you should be able to make modifications.

Also, looks as if Chris M.'s update on BaseCamp is spot-on about the MW version being a problem, this may require an upgrade:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:OpenID#x.5BSOLVED.5D_OpenID_for_MediaWiki_1.18_.28addExtensionField_method_missing.29_13654

chris (f)

PS - I may have to go by my IRC ID (pyrimidine) if we add too many more Chris's :)

On Apr 18, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Chris Maloney <voldrani at gmail.com>
 wrote:

> [Resending to all]
> 
> No, I had the same problem, and just left a note on Basecamp.  There
> is no way past that screen, if you don't already have an account.  I
> compared the way it works on my home server, and attached two screen
> snaps there.
> 
> Let me know if you are too busy, and I'll try to figure out the cause.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fields, Christopher J
> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?
>> 
>> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>> 
>> chris
>> 
>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
>>>> 
>>>> bioperl.org
>>>> open-bio.org
>>>> biopython.org
>>>> biojava.org
>>>> biosql.org
>>>> biodas.org
>>>> 
>>>> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>>>> 
>>>> chris
>>> 
>>> Good work Chris & Chris,
>>> 
>>> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
>>> 
>>> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
>>> 
>>> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
>>> 
>>> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
>>> 
>>> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
>>> 
>> 




From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 18 13:24:10 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:24:10 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Fields, Christopher J
<cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> I believe if you leave the fields empty,

No, blocked with:

"Incorrect password entered. Please try again.

All users need a nickname; you can choose one from the options below."

> or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist,

No blocked, same message.

> it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').
> A little non-intuitive, though. I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to
> muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?

If you fill in an unused username AND a desired password, then it seems
to work (not sure if you'd changed anything in the meantime though).
Certainly non-intuitive right now :(

> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page
> to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>
> chris

If we can edit the prompt for clarity that should suffice (assuming that doing
any updates doesn't solve this more elegantly). :)

Thanks,

Peter


From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 13:20:46 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:20:46 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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Sent that about 3 seconds too early?

Looks as if there are several additional switches that can be set (defaults to FALSE):

$wgOpenIDUseEmailAsNickname = true;
$wgOpenIDAllowExistingAccountSelection = false;
$wgOpenIDAllowNewAccountname = false;

Will RTFM on our installed version to confirm and see if I can dig those up.  The 1.18.x issue that seemed to be a blocker (OpenID pref panel) actually works for us, so I'm not sure an upgrade is needed yet.

chris

On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Christopher Fields <cjfields at illinois.edu>
 wrote:

> It's possible I already had accounts on those from the initial install.  I'll make the LocalSettings.php files writable and set it so there is a default login.  Chris M., I've also added you to the apache group so you should be able to make modifications.
> 
> Also, looks as if Chris M.'s update on BaseCamp is spot-on about the MW version being a problem, this may require an upgrade:
> 
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:OpenID#x.5BSOLVED.5D_OpenID_for_MediaWiki_1.18_.28addExtensionField_method_missing.29_13654
> 
> chris (f)
> 
> PS - I may have to go by my IRC ID (pyrimidine) if we add too many more Chris's :)
> 
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Chris Maloney <voldrani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> [Resending to all]
>> 
>> No, I had the same problem, and just left a note on Basecamp.  There
>> is no way past that screen, if you don't already have an account.  I
>> compared the way it works on my home server, and attached two screen
>> snaps there.
>> 
>> Let me know if you are too busy, and I'll try to figure out the cause.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fields, Christopher J
>> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>> I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?
>>> 
>>> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>>> 
>>> chris
>>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
>>>>> 
>>>>> bioperl.org
>>>>> open-bio.org
>>>>> biopython.org
>>>>> biojava.org
>>>>> biosql.org
>>>>> biodas.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> chris
>>>> 
>>>> Good work Chris & Chris,
>>>> 
>>>> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
>>>> 
>>>> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
>>>> 
>>>> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
>>>> 
>>>> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
>>>> 
>>>> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
>>>> 
>>> 
> 




From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 13:42:32 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:42:32 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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Okay, those settings are true by default; explicitly setting them in LocalSettings.php doesn't work.  So I think we should look into a MW upgrade.  I'll re-enable normal logins for the time being; using that route at least allows users to set up an account (OpenID works fine once that is in place).

chris

On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu>
 wrote:

> Sent that about 3 seconds too early?
> 
> Looks as if there are several additional switches that can be set (defaults to FALSE):
> 
> $wgOpenIDUseEmailAsNickname = true;
> $wgOpenIDAllowExistingAccountSelection = false;
> $wgOpenIDAllowNewAccountname = false;
> 
> Will RTFM on our installed version to confirm and see if I can dig those up.  The 1.18.x issue that seemed to be a blocker (OpenID pref panel) actually works for us, so I'm not sure an upgrade is needed yet.
> 
> chris
> 
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Christopher Fields <cjfields at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>> It's possible I already had accounts on those from the initial install.  I'll make the LocalSettings.php files writable and set it so there is a default login.  Chris M., I've also added you to the apache group so you should be able to make modifications.
>> 
>> Also, looks as if Chris M.'s update on BaseCamp is spot-on about the MW version being a problem, this may require an upgrade:
>> 
>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:OpenID#x.5BSOLVED.5D_OpenID_for_MediaWiki_1.18_.28addExtensionField_method_missing.29_13654
>> 
>> chris (f)
>> 
>> PS - I may have to go by my IRC ID (pyrimidine) if we add too many more Chris's :)
>> 
>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Chris Maloney <voldrani at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> [Resending to all]
>>> 
>>> No, I had the same problem, and just left a note on Basecamp.  There
>>> is no way past that screen, if you don't already have an account.  I
>>> compared the way it works on my home server, and attached two screen
>>> snaps there.
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you are too busy, and I'll try to figure out the cause.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fields, Christopher J
>>> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>> I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?
>>>> 
>>>> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>>>> 
>>>> chris
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> bioperl.org
>>>>>> open-bio.org
>>>>>> biopython.org
>>>>>> biojava.org
>>>>>> biosql.org
>>>>>> biodas.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good work Chris & Chris,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
>>>>> 
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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From cjfields at illinois.edu  Thu Apr 18 17:41:18 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:41:18 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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Nevermind, Naohisa pointed out on Basecamp that there is an explicit account creation setting that needed to be commented out.  This seems to be fixed now on the various sites; can everyone confirm?

chris

On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:42 AM, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:

> Okay, those settings are true by default; explicitly setting them in LocalSettings.php doesn't work.  So I think we should look into a MW upgrade.  I'll re-enable normal logins for the time being; using that route at least allows users to set up an account (OpenID works fine once that is in place).
> 
> chris
> 
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>> Sent that about 3 seconds too early?
>> 
>> Looks as if there are several additional switches that can be set (defaults to FALSE):
>> 
>> $wgOpenIDUseEmailAsNickname = true;
>> $wgOpenIDAllowExistingAccountSelection = false;
>> $wgOpenIDAllowNewAccountname = false;
>> 
>> Will RTFM on our installed version to confirm and see if I can dig those up.  The 1.18.x issue that seemed to be a blocker (OpenID pref panel) actually works for us, so I'm not sure an upgrade is needed yet.
>> 
>> chris
>> 
>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Christopher Fields <cjfields at illinois.edu>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> It's possible I already had accounts on those from the initial install.  I'll make the LocalSettings.php files writable and set it so there is a default login.  Chris M., I've also added you to the apache group so you should be able to make modifications.
>>> 
>>> Also, looks as if Chris M.'s update on BaseCamp is spot-on about the MW version being a problem, this may require an upgrade:
>>> 
>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:OpenID#x.5BSOLVED.5D_OpenID_for_MediaWiki_1.18_.28addExtensionField_method_missing.29_13654
>>> 
>>> chris (f)
>>> 
>>> PS - I may have to go by my IRC ID (pyrimidine) if we add too many more Chris's :)
>>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Chris Maloney <voldrani at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> [Resending to all]
>>>> 
>>>> No, I had the same problem, and just left a note on Basecamp.  There
>>>> is no way past that screen, if you don't already have an account.  I
>>>> compared the way it works on my home server, and attached two screen
>>>> snaps there.
>>>> 
>>>> Let me know if you are too busy, and I'll try to figure out the cause.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fields, Christopher J
>>>> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>> I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>>>>> 
>>>>> chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> bioperl.org
>>>>>>> open-bio.org
>>>>>>> biopython.org
>>>>>>> biojava.org
>>>>>>> biosql.org
>>>>>>> biodas.org
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> chris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good work Chris & Chris,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk  Fri Apr 19 08:46:10 2013
From: andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk (Andy Jenkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:46:10 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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Hi Chris,

It all works on biodas.org?

Except I am suspicious of the number of accounts created today:
http://www.biodas.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges

I notice the captcha is, shall we say, not too troubling.

Cheers,
Andy

On 18 Apr 2013, at 18:41, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:

> Nevermind, Naohisa pointed out on Basecamp that there is an explicit account creation setting that needed to be commented out.  This seems to be fixed now on the various sites; can everyone confirm?
> 
> chris
> 
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:42 AM, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Okay, those settings are true by default; explicitly setting them in LocalSettings.php doesn't work.  So I think we should look into a MW upgrade.  I'll re-enable normal logins for the time being; using that route at least allows users to set up an account (OpenID works fine once that is in place).
>> 
>> chris
>> 
>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sent that about 3 seconds too early?
>>> 
>>> Looks as if there are several additional switches that can be set (defaults to FALSE):
>>> 
>>> $wgOpenIDUseEmailAsNickname = true;
>>> $wgOpenIDAllowExistingAccountSelection = false;
>>> $wgOpenIDAllowNewAccountname = false;
>>> 
>>> Will RTFM on our installed version to confirm and see if I can dig those up.  The 1.18.x issue that seemed to be a blocker (OpenID pref panel) actually works for us, so I'm not sure an upgrade is needed yet.
>>> 
>>> chris
>>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Christopher Fields <cjfields at illinois.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It's possible I already had accounts on those from the initial install.  I'll make the LocalSettings.php files writable and set it so there is a default login.  Chris M., I've also added you to the apache group so you should be able to make modifications.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, looks as if Chris M.'s update on BaseCamp is spot-on about the MW version being a problem, this may require an upgrade:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:OpenID#x.5BSOLVED.5D_OpenID_for_MediaWiki_1.18_.28addExtensionField_method_missing.29_13654
>>>> 
>>>> chris (f)
>>>> 
>>>> PS - I may have to go by my IRC ID (pyrimidine) if we add too many more Chris's :)
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Chris Maloney <voldrani at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> [Resending to all]
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, I had the same problem, and just left a note on Basecamp.  There
>>>>> is no way past that screen, if you don't already have an account.  I
>>>>> compared the way it works on my home server, and attached two screen
>>>>> snaps there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let me know if you are too busy, and I'll try to figure out the cause.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fields, Christopher J
>>>>> <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> I believe if you leave the fields empty, or if you fill it with a user name that doesn't exist, it creates the account for you (the submit button is labeled 'Login/Create Account').  A little non-intuitive, though.  I ran into that on BioDAS last night but managed to muddle through, ended up with an account using my full name.  Can you try that?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If that is the case, we probably need some additional text on the login page to clarify it (or we can maybe try updating the plugin).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> chris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fields, Christopher J <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thanks to a pointer from Chris Maloney re: a missing 'Auth' directory and a little additional checking, I managed to go through and get OpenID working again on the following wiki sites:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> bioperl.org
>>>>>>>> open-bio.org
>>>>>>>> biopython.org
>>>>>>>> biojava.org
>>>>>>>> biosql.org
>>>>>>>> biodas.org
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I couldn't find any others with this plugin enabled.  I turned off logins using original IDs; let me know if these need to be switched back on.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> chris
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good work Chris & Chris,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've checked and I can still log into my existing Biopython wiki account via OpenID (using Google), and that means I still have my wiki admin rights :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The wiki on open-bio.org, biosql.org and bioperl.org also worked fine (I already had accounts there).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, on BioJava.org and BioDas.org I don't think I had an old account, which lead to a problem - I can valid my email via OpenID, but get stuck here - there is no option to create a new account?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 09.59.36.png>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Presumably this will be faced by all new contributors.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also BioLib's wiki is AWOL, http://biolib.open-bio.org/wiki/Main_Page - probably completely unrelated.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 19 09:02:51 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:02:51 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Andy Jenkinson
<andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> It all works on biodas.org?
>
> Except I am suspicious of the number of accounts created today:
> http://www.biodas.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
>
> I notice the captcha is, shall we say, not too troubling.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy

Thanks for that heads up - I checked (most of?) the other wiki
pages and touch wood none of them have been hit like that yet.
It may be that something is more open on BioDAS or your were
just unlucky.

Over on root-l we're looking at updating MediaWiki for all the
OBF hosted wikis as part of getting OpenID working properly.

Peter



From andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk  Fri Apr 19 09:16:19 2013
From: andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk (Andy Jenkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:16:19 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:02, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Andy Jenkinson
> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> It all works on biodas.org?
>> 
>> Except I am suspicious of the number of accounts created today:
>> http://www.biodas.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
>> 
>> I notice the captcha is, shall we say, not too troubling.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Andy
> 
> Thanks for that heads up - I checked (most of?) the other wiki
> pages and touch wood none of them have been hit like that yet.
> It may be that something is more open on BioDAS or your were
> just unlucky.

The wiki is uncontrollably full of spam from when this was a problem in the past, so it's probably on some list somewhere.

> Over on root-l we're looking at updating MediaWiki for all the
> OBF hosted wikis as part of getting OpenID working properly.


Yes I know, but I'm not sure if that will actually fix the spam problem? And are there any captcha settings we can tweak in the meantime? Every now and again I spend an awful lot of time deleting pages and blocking accounts, which is sadly all rather pointless if they can create new ones.


From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 19 09:24:20 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:24:20 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Andy Jenkinson
<andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
> On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:02, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Andy Jenkinson
>> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> It all works on biodas.org?
>>>
>>> Except I am suspicious of the number of accounts created today:
>>> http://www.biodas.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
>>>
>>> I notice the captcha is, shall we say, not too troubling.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andy
>>
>> Thanks for that heads up - I checked (most of?) the other wiki
>> pages and touch wood none of them have been hit like that yet.
>> It may be that something is more open on BioDAS or your were
>> just unlucky.
>
> The wiki is uncontrollably full of spam from when this was a
> problem in the past, so it's probably on some list somewhere.
>
>> Over on root-l we're looking at updating MediaWiki for all the
>> OBF hosted wikis as part of getting OpenID working properly.
>
> Yes I know, but I'm not sure if that will actually fix the spam problem?
> And are there any captcha settings we can tweak in the meantime?

The idea is that account creation requires OpenID, which is more
hassle for spammers to go though, and should throttle them.

> Every now and again I spend an awful lot of time deleting pages
> and blocking accounts, which is sadly all rather pointless if they
> can create new ones.

I've had days wasted on wikis like that too - although not recently.

Maybe we should go for moderation to create new accounts on
the BioDAS wiki and any others being hit hard by spammers?

The OBF are also interested in moving the wikis to a hosted
solution - even paying someone else has some appeal. One
option is to use GitHub's wiki - since most of the Bio* projects
now use GitHub for their repositories.

Peter



From andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk  Fri Apr 19 09:48:09 2013
From: andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk (Andy Jenkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:48:09 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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>>> Over on root-l we're looking at updating MediaWiki for all the
>>> OBF hosted wikis as part of getting OpenID working properly.
>> 
>> Yes I know, but I'm not sure if that will actually fix the spam problem?
>> And are there any captcha settings we can tweak in the meantime?
> 
> The idea is that account creation requires OpenID, which is more
> hassle for spammers to go though, and should throttle them.

What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or OpenID?

>> Every now and again I spend an awful lot of time deleting pages
>> and blocking accounts, which is sadly all rather pointless if they
>> can create new ones.
> 
> I've had days wasted on wikis like that too - although not recently.

Yes there has been no spam on BioDAS since August, which I had associated with the login not working properly.

> Maybe we should go for moderation to create new accounts on
> the BioDAS wiki and any others being hit hard by spammers?

Yes that could work if done manageably, but with there being 31 accounts created within 7 hours this morning, I'm not particularly keen on getting all those emails!

> The OBF are also interested in moving the wikis to a hosted
> solution - even paying someone else has some appeal. One
> option is to use GitHub's wiki - since most of the Bio* projects
> now use GitHub for their repositories.

Hopefully the porting can be automated...


From p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 19 09:57:16 2013
From: p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com (Peter Cock)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:57:16 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
<andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> Over on root-l we're looking at updating MediaWiki for all the
>>>> OBF hosted wikis as part of getting OpenID working properly.
>>>
>>> Yes I know, but I'm not sure if that will actually fix the spam problem?
>>> And are there any captcha settings we can tweak in the meantime?
>>
>> The idea is that account creation requires OpenID, which is more
>> hassle for spammers to go though, and should throttle them.
>
> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
> OpenID?

OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.

>>> Every now and again I spend an awful lot of time deleting pages
>>> and blocking accounts, which is sadly all rather pointless if they
>>> can create new ones.
>>
>> I've had days wasted on wikis like that too - although not recently.
>
> Yes there has been no spam on BioDAS since August, which I had
> associated with the login not working properly.

Indeed. It had its up sides.

>> Maybe we should go for moderation to create new accounts on
>> the BioDAS wiki and any others being hit hard by spammers?
>
> Yes that could work if done manageably, but with there being 31
> accounts created within 7 hours this morning, I'm not particularly
> keen on getting all those emails!

Personally I'd rather have 31 easily filed emails and do a mass
new user reject, than have to clean up after the fact.

>From the spammer's point of view, once they see new accounts
are moderated then that wiki would cease to be an easy target -
or I'd hope so anyway.

>> The OBF are also interested in moving the wikis to a hosted
>> solution - even paying someone else has some appeal. One
>> option is to use GitHub's wiki - since most of the Bio* projects
>> now use GitHub for their repositories.
>
> Hopefully the porting can be automated...

For most of the wikis that would be essential. If anyone on the
list is interested in trying this, please speak up and we'll sort
you out with access to the OBF server to take a database
dump from MediaWiki or whatever.

Thanks,

Peter


From cjfields at illinois.edu  Fri Apr 19 13:28:09 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:28:09 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Over on root-l we're looking at updating MediaWiki for all the
>>>>> OBF hosted wikis as part of getting OpenID working properly.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes I know, but I'm not sure if that will actually fix the spam problem?
>>>> And are there any captcha settings we can tweak in the meantime?
>>> 
>>> The idea is that account creation requires OpenID, which is more
>>> hassle for spammers to go though, and should throttle them.
>> 
>> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
>> OpenID?
> 
> OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
> USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.
> 
>>>> Every now and again I spend an awful lot of time deleting pages
>>>> and blocking accounts, which is sadly all rather pointless if they
>>>> can create new ones.
>>> 
>>> I've had days wasted on wikis like that too - although not recently.
>> 
>> Yes there has been no spam on BioDAS since August, which I had
>> associated with the login not working properly.
> 
> Indeed. It had its up sides.
> 
>>> Maybe we should go for moderation to create new accounts on
>>> the BioDAS wiki and any others being hit hard by spammers?
>> 
>> Yes that could work if done manageably, but with there being 31
>> accounts created within 7 hours this morning, I'm not particularly
>> keen on getting all those emails!
> 
> Personally I'd rather have 31 easily filed emails and do a mass
> new user reject, than have to clean up after the fact.
> 
> From the spammer's point of view, once they see new accounts
> are moderated then that wiki would cease to be an easy target -
> or I'd hope so anyway.
> 
>>> The OBF are also interested in moving the wikis to a hosted
>>> solution - even paying someone else has some appeal. One
>>> option is to use GitHub's wiki - since most of the Bio* projects
>>> now use GitHub for their repositories.
>> 
>> Hopefully the porting can be automated...
> 
> For most of the wikis that would be essential. If anyone on the
> list is interested in trying this, please speak up and we'll sort
> you out with access to the OBF server to take a database
> dump from MediaWiki or whatever.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter

I don't know if you can implement a secondary captcha for OpenID, but we (the other Bio*) haven't found it to be necessary as long as the only way in is to use an OpenID.  I think we had maybe one instance on bioperl.org with someone trying this, and they were very easily blocked.  Haven't seen ugg boot spam in a while (fingers crossed).

chris


From andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk  Fri Apr 19 15:55:43 2013
From: andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk (Andy Jenkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:55:43 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:28, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:

> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
>> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
>>> OpenID?
>> 
>> OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
>> USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.
> 
> I don't know if you can implement a secondary captcha for OpenID, but we (the other Bio*) haven't found it to be necessary as long as the only way in is to use an OpenID.  I think we had maybe one instance on bioperl.org with someone trying this, and they were very easily blocked.  Haven't seen ugg boot spam in a while (fingers crossed).
> 
> chris

So Chris, what was it that was fixed yesterday then? Currently I don't know if the spammers are coming via OpenID or the regular account creation process. I would have thought the latter, hence my suggestion to amend the captcha.

One thing is clear to me, it is automated. The fact that so many new accounts are created as soon as the registration/login is fixed makes me not so confident that moderating new accounts will stop the attempts. Either we turn off the part of the registration process that they are coming in via, or we make it more robust. And doing it only for biodas.org is of course fine.


From voldrani at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 00:03:12 2013
From: voldrani at gmail.com (Chris Maloney)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:03:12 -0400
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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Was this fixed?

Right now on biodas wiki I only see the option to create a new account
via OpenID.  Also, it looks like the last new account was created at
13:29 Z, so that leads me to believe Chris F or somebody else changed
something.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Andy Jenkinson
<andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:28, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
>>> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
>>>> OpenID?
>>>
>>> OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
>>> USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.
>>
>> I don't know if you can implement a secondary captcha for OpenID, but we (the other Bio*) haven't found it to be necessary as long as the only way in is to use an OpenID.  I think we had maybe one instance on bioperl.org with someone trying this, and they were very easily blocked.  Haven't seen ugg boot spam in a while (fingers crossed).
>>
>> chris
>
> So Chris, what was it that was fixed yesterday then? Currently I don't know if the spammers are coming via OpenID or the regular account creation process. I would have thought the latter, hence my suggestion to amend the captcha.
>
> One thing is clear to me, it is automated. The fact that so many new accounts are created as soon as the registration/login is fixed makes me not so confident that moderating new accounts will stop the attempts. Either we turn off the part of the registration process that they are coming in via, or we make it more robust. And doing it only for biodas.org is of course fine.



From cjfields at illinois.edu  Sat Apr 20 01:34:51 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 01:34:51 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Apr 19, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Chris Maloney <voldrani at gmail.com>
 wrote:

> Was this fixed?

Should be.  I haven't had time to bring it up to the list today (will respond to Andy's comments separately).

> Right now on biodas wiki I only see the option to create a new account
> via OpenID.  Also, it looks like the last new account was created at
> 13:29 Z, so that leads me to believe Chris F or somebody else changed
> something.

Yep.  The original intent for OpenID was to prevent spam accounts like that from being created to vandalize the site.  Seems to have worked for the time being.

chris

> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Andy Jenkinson
> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:28, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
>>>> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
>>>>> OpenID?
>>>> 
>>>> OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
>>>> USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.
>>> 
>>> I don't know if you can implement a secondary captcha for OpenID, but we (the other Bio*) haven't found it to be necessary as long as the only way in is to use an OpenID.  I think we had maybe one instance on bioperl.org with someone trying this, and they were very easily blocked.  Haven't seen ugg boot spam in a while (fingers crossed).
>>> 
>>> chris
>> 
>> So Chris, what was it that was fixed yesterday then? Currently I don't know if the spammers are coming via OpenID or the regular account creation process. I would have thought the latter, hence my suggestion to amend the captcha.
>> 
>> One thing is clear to me, it is automated. The fact that so many new accounts are created as soon as the registration/login is fixed makes me not so confident that moderating new accounts will stop the attempts. Either we turn off the part of the registration process that they are coming in via, or we make it more robust. And doing it only for biodas.org is of course fine.




From cjfields at illinois.edu  Sat Apr 20 01:39:08 2013
From: cjfields at illinois.edu (Fields, Christopher J)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 01:39:08 +0000
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Andy Jenkinson <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:

> 
> On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:28, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
>>> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
>>>> OpenID?
>>> 
>>> OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
>>> USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.
>> 
>> I don't know if you can implement a secondary captcha for OpenID, but we (the other Bio*) haven't found it to be necessary as long as the only way in is to use an OpenID.  I think we had maybe one instance on bioperl.org with someone trying this, and they were very easily blocked.  Haven't seen ugg boot spam in a while (fingers crossed).
>> 
>> chris
> 
> So Chris, what was it that was fixed yesterday then? Currently I don't know if the spammers are coming via OpenID or the regular account creation process.

Regular accounts.  If it were OpenID you would more than likely see a full user name (like 'Christopher Fields') vs the shortened one; you can also see who has an OpenID if you're an admin by visiting this page:

http://www.bioperl.org/wiki/Special:OpenIDDashboard

and following the link in the 'registered users' line.  These accounts shouldn't have them so they can't effectively log back in w/o attaching an OpenID to them (and then they must each be unique).

> I would have thought the latter, hence my suggestion to amend the captcha.
> 
> One thing is clear to me, it is automated. The fact that so many new accounts are created as soon as the registration/login is fixed makes me not so confident that moderating new accounts will stop the attempts. Either we turn off the part of the registration process that they are coming in via, or we make it more robust. And doing it only for biodas.org is of course fine.

Let's see if OpenID squashes this, my guess is it will eliminate most problems.  If it resurfaces then we can go the more strict route.

chris (f)


From dan.bolser at gmail.com  Tue Apr 23 15:51:37 2013
From: dan.bolser at gmail.com (Dan Bolser)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:51:37 +0100
Subject: [Open-bio-l] OpenID working again
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On 19 April 2013 16:55, Andy Jenkinson <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:28, "Fields, Christopher J" <cjfields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Peter Cock <p.j.a.cock at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andy Jenkinson
>>> <andy.jenkinson at ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What was it that was fixed yesterday, manual account creation or
>>>> OpenID?
>>>
>>> OpenID work certainly, but I'll defer to Chris F or Chris M (both in the
>>> USA so not awake yet) regarding exactly where things stand now.
>>
>> I don't know if you can implement a secondary captcha for OpenID, but we (the other Bio*) haven't found it to be necessary as long as the only way in is to use an OpenID.  I think we had maybe one instance on bioperl.org with someone trying this, and they were very easily blocked.  Haven't seen ugg boot spam in a while (fingers crossed).
>>
>> chris
>
> So Chris, what was it that was fixed yesterday then? Currently I don't know if the spammers are coming via OpenID or the regular account creation process. I would have thought the latter, hence my suggestion to amend the captcha.

I hope they aren't coming from OpenID. I explicitly use 'OpenID only'
registration on my wikis to prevent this kind of problem (or at least,
push the problem back onto Google, Yahoo, et. al). So far this seems
to be working, and I'd recommend this strategy over captchas these
days.


Cheers,
Dan.

> One thing is clear to me, it is automated. The fact that so many new accounts are created as soon as the registration/login is fixed makes me not so confident that moderating new accounts will stop the attempts. Either we turn off the part of the registration process that they are coming in via, or we make it more robust. And doing it only for biodas.org is of course fine.
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